Ep. 244: a very british cult

[00:00:04] Speaker A: You fucking Americans. [00:00:08] Speaker B: Right, what'd we do? [00:00:11] Speaker A: Off. You think you got it all figured out, don't you? You think you invented it all. You think you know the best of this? Leader of the free, this American dream? No, that's Britain. [00:00:28] Speaker B: Nice. [00:00:29] Speaker A: You know what I'm saying, right? [00:00:32] Speaker B: Proud to be an American. [00:00:33] Speaker A: Exactly. American. Off. Right. You. You think you got all the. You think you. Oh, you think you wrote the book on the cults too, don't you, with your Scientology? [00:00:48] Speaker B: Oh, we do. We do. [00:00:49] Speaker A: Some of your other ones, some of. [00:00:50] Speaker B: Your other theaters, we got Rhealians, I think. Oh, no, those are French. Those are French, aren't they? Heaven's Gate, we've got your branch Jonestown, Branch Davidian Jonestown. [00:01:05] Speaker A: Yeah, you think you got it all? You ain't got Manson Family, you got nothing. [00:01:11] Speaker B: Nothing. [00:01:13] Speaker A: Right, okay, you want to fucking. All right, listen, let me tell you. Cory and I are playing a little game of opening ping pong these past few weeks. Yes, she'll send me a prompt. I'll send her a prompt. What was it last time? Cursed love. This week, Corrigan sent me a two word prompt. A two word prompt. Culty Brits. Yeah. Now, Yeah. [00:01:43] Speaker B: I honestly, I was thinking, like, when this popped into my head, I was like, I can't off the top of my head, head think of a British cult. And so I was like, that needs to change. [00:01:53] Speaker A: Let me fucking help you with that. [00:01:55] Speaker B: Please do. [00:01:56] Speaker A: Let me help you all with that. Is there, is there a lesson? Is there a message to this week? Joe Ag. Look, just like I often say, right? They walk among us. They fucking look like us. And they might sound like us, but they not like us, right? And they're out there right now. They're amongst us. They're in your fucking places of work, your schools, your fucking, you know, your town centres. Sitting outside. Costa. There's a fucking weirdo everywhere. [00:02:32] Speaker B: Costa. Yep, got it. [00:02:33] Speaker A: You know, Costa. [00:02:34] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. It took me a second to process what you said. Now I'm with you. [00:02:38] Speaker A: Costa, particularly during a weekday, is a magnet for specimens, let me tell you. [00:02:45] Speaker B: Is it really? [00:02:45] Speaker A: Yes, And I'm Brit. Listeners, please shout if. If this rings true. But on any given fucking Thursday afternoon, sat outside costume and you will get the specimens. [00:03:00] Speaker B: I think because I'm always so self conscious about, like, being the American in a place like that. Yeah, I think I'm the specimen. Like, I'm the weirdo. [00:03:08] Speaker A: Oh, you're a specimen all right. [00:03:13] Speaker B: What kind of coffee can I get? Because you don't make it the way. [00:03:17] Speaker A: We Do I tell you, they sure wouldn't fucking the bulk of serving you that mug of fucking twigs and piss that you call a cup of tea that you're drinking in front of you. [00:03:25] Speaker B: I've got a beautiful mug of chamomile here. [00:03:28] Speaker A: Anyway. Stop it. I'm about to talk. [00:03:32] Speaker B: All right, Give me. Tell it to me, teach. Let's go, sensei. [00:03:38] Speaker A: Who wants to come on a journey? I know you do. I know you all do. I know you love it when I take you places and I take you to different times. [00:03:45] Speaker B: So I'm in for the ride. [00:03:47] Speaker A: Won't you come with me today to the strange, gray, almost pile of post war Britain? [00:04:02] Speaker B: Right, okay. [00:04:06] Speaker A: The Empire. [00:04:08] Speaker B: I love interesting times on this. [00:04:10] Speaker A: Well, this is certainly one of them. The, the. The empire was crumbling. Of course, you might find you might still find a fucking ration book in your kitchen drawer. [00:04:21] Speaker B: Yeah, a ration book. [00:04:23] Speaker A: Yeah, rations. [00:04:25] Speaker B: So is it like, were they like coupons? How did that work? [00:04:27] Speaker A: Rationing? They were exactly. That you would get a book of like little tokens, little chitties, okay, that you would rip off. And this would entitle you to, you. [00:04:40] Speaker B: Know, half X amount of whatever sugar. [00:04:42] Speaker A: And some butter and some whatever rationing to, you know, and extend supplies. But on the 23rd of January, right, and we're in again, as many of these stories seem to center around in Shropshire, the town of Wellington in Shropshire. [00:05:04] Speaker B: Okay. We do seem to keep coming back there, don't we? [00:05:06] Speaker A: What is going on in Shropshire? [00:05:10] Speaker B: It's a really good question because on what year? [00:05:15] Speaker A: 23Rd of January. We're in 1919. [00:05:18] Speaker B: 1919. Okay, great. [00:05:21] Speaker A: 1919 to the most unassuming of fathers, at least, was born George King. [00:05:32] Speaker B: Nice. [00:05:33] Speaker A: George. King. George King, regal name. Very interesting. Hold that thought. As I say, father very, you know, working class, a toolsmith. [00:05:46] Speaker B: Toolsmith? Is that someone who makes tools? [00:05:48] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Great tool maker, but a mother. And here's where it gets interesting. From young George, a mother who was a. Died in the world. Devout spiritualist. Christian. [00:06:07] Speaker B: Spiritualist. Christian. [00:06:09] Speaker A: A spiritualist. [00:06:11] Speaker B: Right, okay. As I talked about on the Joag fan Cave, this was after World War I was kind of a. A big time for spiritualism. [00:06:22] Speaker A: Was it now? [00:06:23] Speaker B: Yes, in Britain, because so many people died, obviously. [00:06:27] Speaker A: Well, of course we're gonna want to talk to these guys. [00:06:30] Speaker B: An incredible amount of British men died. Are you there? World War I, Walter? [00:06:36] Speaker A: Give us a sign, Walter. [00:06:40] Speaker B: Exactly. It. It became this like, boom as a result of. Of that. [00:06:45] Speaker A: Walter, where did you hide the money, Walter? [00:06:49] Speaker B: They might ask exactly it might be amongst the things that you had asked. So, yes, spiritualism was like, had a little boom there in the immediate way. [00:07:00] Speaker A: Phyllis wants to know where you've hidden. [00:07:01] Speaker B: The money. [00:07:04] Speaker A: That kind of thing. That's what was going on in George King's fucking house. Right. [00:07:08] Speaker B: Excellent. Yeah. [00:07:10] Speaker A: His mother would often hold, in fact, seances in their house. [00:07:16] Speaker B: Well, sorry. Hold on, Walt. Sorry. My dog is stealing things right now. [00:07:25] Speaker A: It's interesting. I summoned Walter with my. [00:07:27] Speaker B: You did? You summoned Walter and my spiritualism. All of his chaos. [00:07:36] Speaker A: From his childhood being amongst this, you know, as you might expect, George, young George, early on in his life, developed a fascination with the unseen. Of course. The world beyond the veil. Corrigan. Right. George was fucking hungry for it. In terms of formal education. Barely fuck all, really. He left school early. And I like that. [00:08:10] Speaker B: You were just like allowed to do that back then. Just kind of like, well, I'm done here. Yeah. [00:08:15] Speaker A: I mean, you can. You can leave school at 16 now. [00:08:19] Speaker B: Oh, okay. [00:08:22] Speaker A: I'm not sure if that was when he left, but. But he had no. Nothing in the way of qualifications. Right. [00:08:27] Speaker B: Sure. [00:08:28] Speaker A: And very ordinary cv. Laborer, lorry driver. He was a conscientious objector during the Second World War, so didn't fight. [00:08:40] Speaker B: I feel like that was probably really looked down upon at that point. [00:08:45] Speaker A: One can only imagine it would be. Yes. [00:08:47] Speaker B: It's like you can be a conscientious objector to Vietnam, but like World War II, I feel like people were super on board with that. [00:08:55] Speaker A: His career. He became more of a. He drove an ambulance during the Second World War. [00:09:01] Speaker B: So. [00:09:01] Speaker A: So he was. [00:09:02] Speaker B: So he had like an. Yeah, he just wasn't gonna fight. [00:09:04] Speaker A: Exactly. And he was a cabbie as well, a taxi driver. Just fuck all, really. To write home about. Sure. [00:09:11] Speaker B: Regular kind of working class shit. [00:09:12] Speaker A: But more and more during the war and after the war, his interests took more and more of a turn towards the mystical. Right. [00:09:27] Speaker B: Okay. [00:09:28] Speaker A: As you said yourself, the. This wave of spiritualism that swept post war Britain after the. The. The upheaval and the trauma of the 20s, 30s, 40s, George aligned himself with occult groups. Theosophical kind of thinking. Just a mishmash. [00:09:55] Speaker B: That's one of the like. Yeah. The interesting things about that, like, point is that, like, it's a time where people are really into science. [00:10:02] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:10:03] Speaker B: And so they're trying to figure out if they can. Science. [00:10:08] Speaker A: Yes. [00:10:09] Speaker B: Their way into the paranormal. Right. Like, there has to be scientific reasons. [00:10:14] Speaker A: Corey, you have fucking nailed it. Because as you often do, might I say, you've nailed it because one of George King's chief passions was the idea of theosophy. Is that something you've heard of that term, theosophy? [00:10:31] Speaker B: Sure, yeah. [00:10:33] Speaker A: This again. It's an attempt to unify science and the mystical. [00:10:39] Speaker B: Yes. [00:10:40] Speaker A: Under a kind of a belief in the ascended human, an advanced kind of presence that guides human development and discipline and imagination. Now, through a lot of bullshit, right, There has been much bullshit written about George King. So fact and reality become one at points here. He is not a reliable narrator by any means. Right, right. [00:11:16] Speaker B: When people are in charge of their own story and how it gets told. [00:11:20] Speaker A: Exactly this, when you start a cult, you can kind of make your own fucking history, really, you know, which is why when I say that Kings claims to have studied under, you know, yoga masters in Wellington, Shropshire, I don't know if you did. So there's no independent driver. [00:11:44] Speaker B: Money. [00:11:45] Speaker A: Exactly. On his fucking cab tips. Did you. So, yeah, there's nothing, there's no real verifiable independent record of any formal, like Dr. Strange kind of training. But what. What we can. What we do know for sure is that after moving to London in the 40s, he got himself involved in the kind of spiritualist scene, in the yoga kind of vibe. And he would attend healing classes and meditation circles and started to gain himself something of a following. [00:12:27] Speaker B: Okay, was he like, charismatic or good looking? [00:12:32] Speaker A: Well, you're gonna find that out for yourself soon. [00:12:34] Speaker B: Ooh, okay, great. [00:12:36] Speaker A: Yes, because the big moment came in May of 1954. All right, where? So it goes. George was deep, deep in deep contact with the void, right? In his flat alone in fucking London's Maida Vale. Right? Talk to me, he might have said, talk to me, O Void. And the Void replied, excellent. And do you know what the Void said? [00:13:15] Speaker B: Be sure to drink your oval tea. [00:13:19] Speaker A: No, no, Corey, nothing so trivial. The Void said, and I quote from the Void, or at least from one of his texts, the Void said to him, prepare yourself. You are to become the voice of the Interplanetary Parliament. [00:13:45] Speaker B: Okay? [00:13:47] Speaker A: So, anointed by the Void as the voice of the Interplanetary Parliamentary, which implies. [00:13:57] Speaker B: That there are like, other heads, right? Like there's like space heads of state all over the place. [00:14:04] Speaker A: Interplanetary Secretary of Education, right? You know what I mean? Listen, you can't have a parliament without, you know, ministers, you know, bureaucracy. Exactly this. But George cut right through that and he became immediately the voice, the mouthpiece, the herald of the Interplanetary Parliament. Now, George declared that that particular voice came from an advanced being from Venus. Sure, Known as Aetherius. [00:14:41] Speaker B: That's a good name, isn't it? [00:14:43] Speaker A: A E T H E R I U S Ethereus. [00:14:46] Speaker B: Yes, Etherius. [00:14:52] Speaker A: And Ethereus chose George King to be his mouthpiece or their mouthpiece on Earth, with the message that humanity had reached a crossroads. On one side, if you take one path, you have complete spiritual collapse and tumult, you know? And on the other side, cosmic awakening. [00:15:23] Speaker B: Okay? Yeah. [00:15:25] Speaker A: And George. [00:15:26] Speaker B: Two roads diverged in an interplanetary wood. [00:15:29] Speaker A: And George stood right there at the fucking crossroads. George King was to be our representative for the fucking interplanetary parliament, a channel for communication from the cosmic masters. And thus was formed in 1955 in London, the Ethereus Society. [00:15:58] Speaker B: Excellent. [00:15:59] Speaker A: Yeah, I know, I know. Pretty fucking sick, yes. As many cults often do. It began. He started small, okay? Spiritualists, Eastern, kind of that mishmash of Eastern meets Western kind of spiritual fucking idiocy. Started to attract also UFO enthusiasts. [00:16:31] Speaker B: Yeah, of course. [00:16:32] Speaker A: Here we go. [00:16:33] Speaker B: He has brought space into this. [00:16:36] Speaker A: Here we fucking go. And think of the timing. Think of the fucking timing. Everyone's watching the skies. The Cold War is going on. Yeah. UFO fever pitch, right? [00:16:49] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:16:50] Speaker A: What a perfect time, George. You nailed it, son. He begins touring Britain. He begins giving lectures. He begins giving talks, you know, venues famed for use by humanists and social kind of reformers. Talks which blended, like I've said, his yoga, his esoteric kind of philosophies, his interplanetary revelations. The guy was a gifted orator. He was very kind. [00:17:27] Speaker B: That'll take you a long way. [00:17:29] Speaker A: Oh, mate, I have built a career on it, right? I don't know shit about shit, but I can get people to think I can. [00:17:40] Speaker B: You can talk. Good. [00:17:40] Speaker A: You got it. And so could George. Something about his kind of clipped kind of English, very quintessentially English sincerity, I feel, helped his notoriety and his reputation right now. In comes the funding. In comes the donations, the membership fees, the sale of tickets, books. He would record. He would record transmissions from the void. [00:18:18] Speaker B: Wow. [00:18:18] Speaker A: And sell them to members so they. [00:18:21] Speaker B: Were intelligible, like the Void spoke English. [00:18:26] Speaker A: We'll get there. [00:18:29] Speaker B: Oh, boy. All right. We'll get there, yeah. [00:18:36] Speaker A: By the 60s, membership of the Society had grown to the point where they were able to get a permanent HQ on fucking London's Fulham Road, by the way, which is a very desirable thoroughfare in London in Fulham, I think, anyway. Well, look, London rents are fucked up right now more than ever, which makes it even more insane that the headquarters, Etherius House on London's Film Road, remains To this day. [00:19:11] Speaker B: Wow. So you can go see this. [00:19:13] Speaker A: They're still going Corry. [00:19:15] Speaker B: This. Oh, okay. I didn't know we were talking about. [00:19:18] Speaker A: They are still active, Corrigan. [00:19:22] Speaker B: Wonderful. Okay, go on. [00:19:25] Speaker A: Indeed. Before the 60s, they'd gone international. Right, right. [00:19:33] Speaker B: That's key. [00:19:34] Speaker A: Yeah. Oh, of course. [00:19:35] Speaker B: You've got to break something like this. [00:19:36] Speaker A: You've got to break the States. He traveled to la, obviously. [00:19:44] Speaker B: Naturally, you know, I mean, if you want people to fall for your LA is where you go. That's why it's Scientology headquarters. [00:19:51] Speaker A: In 1960, they opened their first branch in the US. The, the, the spread across the UK continued unabated. They opened new branches in Bristol, in Manchester. He even managed to get a fucking chapter of the Etheria Society in New Zealand. [00:20:14] Speaker B: Wow. [00:20:15] Speaker A: Right? This guy, this guy, this guy could cult. This guy culted. [00:20:20] Speaker B: Yeah. Seriously. [00:20:22] Speaker A: So let's talk beliefs, right? Let's talk about what they. What, what, what the fucking void was all about, right? [00:20:30] Speaker B: What was the message? [00:20:31] Speaker A: As you can imagine, it's a tapestry. Karmic rebirth, spiritual discipline, you know, Hindu kind of. [00:20:41] Speaker B: Sure. You know, blending all kinds. [00:20:44] Speaker A: Exactly this. If you, if you, if you be nice to the void, the void will be nice to you. If you're not, you'll come back as a fucking mosquito or whatever. Listen, for a cult, kind of benign, the compassion and the reincarnation kind of Buddhist elements. How now? Kind of a corruption of Christian moral kind of imagery. Jesus is referred to throughout the core kind of theology of the theorist society as the master Jesus, who is in this telling an extraterrestrial savior. [00:21:25] Speaker B: Cool, man. [00:21:25] Speaker A: Alien. [00:21:26] Speaker B: I'm on board. Why not? [00:21:27] Speaker A: Fucking why not? [00:21:30] Speaker B: Like it's already kind of. You got the zombie Jesus thing going with, like, the story how it is. Why not alien Jesus? [00:21:36] Speaker A: Why not? Why? Fuck it. I'd be more likely to believe in an alien Jesus than I would be, right? The one that everybody else does. [00:21:45] Speaker B: I'm genuinely quite. I find this whole thing quite quaint. The idea of like space council of like, deities and things like that, you know, I think that's a charming idea. [00:21:57] Speaker A: What was your prompt? How British is this cult? This is a British as cult here. You can also throw in, sprinkle in a little bit of science fiction kind of cosmology into this, you know, advanced life existing on all planets across higher different kind of planes of vibration, you know, the fucking. Getting in touch with it. One of their, one of their rituals, right? One of their teachings. The, the, the, the, the ethereal society teaches that our survival, mankind's Survival depends on. On us collectively raising our planet's spiritual energy together. Right? [00:22:50] Speaker B: Just gotta clap really hard like it's never gonna. [00:22:53] Speaker A: No, no, check it out, check it out, check it out. Members perform group meditations and rituals to charge devices, storage devices known as spiritual energy batteries. And these are real phys that they keep in the room, right? Spiritual energy batteries. I guess you could think of them as vibes, capacitors. [00:23:24] Speaker B: Ooh, I like it. [00:23:25] Speaker A: You know what I'm saying? [00:23:26] Speaker B: They need you for branding. I think this is the cult for you, actually. [00:23:30] Speaker A: Maybe. Nah, I am no follower. If I'm gonna be a fucking cult leader, I'm gonna come up with my own shit. But yeah, you charge up your spiritual energy battery, buddy. [00:23:43] Speaker B: But hey, can you move your mic? [00:23:46] Speaker A: Move it where? [00:23:47] Speaker B: Somewhere where your arm isn't like hitting it because it is rattling. [00:23:51] Speaker A: Sorry. I'm passionate about the. [00:23:52] Speaker B: You are getting. You're getting so into it. Just shaking the mic around. [00:23:57] Speaker A: Okay, okay, okay. Is that so bad? Is that better? [00:24:00] Speaker B: Probably. I don't know. You haven't gotten back to being passionate again. [00:24:05] Speaker A: I'll just. [00:24:06] Speaker B: Briefly. He is waving his arms around while telling this story. [00:24:10] Speaker A: Just as briefly as I can. A spiritual energy battery. Can think of it as like a cylindrical device full of crystals. [00:24:20] Speaker B: That's what I was imagining. [00:24:21] Speaker A: Full of crystals. I imagine like geodes, you know, onyx and quartz and things. And you charge these fucking things up. [00:24:29] Speaker B: Yeah, I had a neighbor who was into that stuff. We called him Crystal Bill. Like a house full of that shit. [00:24:34] Speaker A: Of course you fucking did. Is he still around, Crystal Bell? [00:24:38] Speaker B: Oh, I don't know. I haven't lived there in 25 years. But I like to think he is. [00:24:42] Speaker A: If you're listening, this one's for you, my friend. Why would you bother charging up a fucking spiritual energy battery, you might ask? Well, the higher level priests, I guess, of the Ethereal society are then able to discharge that energy during times of crisis. So if, if there's an earthquake or a war, then the senior members of the society can then just release the vibes from the spiritual battery. [00:25:20] Speaker B: Awesome. [00:25:21] Speaker A: And you know, fucking fix it. Fix. And it's obviously worked. You know, it's obviously doing great. They've done a great job. [00:25:29] Speaker B: Yeah, bang up job, guys. [00:25:31] Speaker A: Should you wish to read more on this, there is a central text of the Ethereum Society known as the Twelve Blessings written by King. [00:25:43] Speaker B: Nice. And they still use this? [00:25:45] Speaker A: I don't know if they still was on Amazon. [00:25:48] Speaker B: Okay, yeah. [00:25:51] Speaker A: The 12 blessings was claimed by King to have been dictated to him by the master Jesus himself. [00:25:59] Speaker B: Excellent. I, you know what? I like that he goes straight to the man. It's like, you know, what's Joseph Smith? He had like the whole Angel Moroni thing, like little intermediary or whatever. George, fuck off. Straight to Jesus. [00:26:14] Speaker A: Straight to the master Jesus. And in answer to your question, yes, members of the society will still read from the master text. Will still read from the twelve blessings in group ceremonies today. [00:26:30] Speaker B: There's like an a bit of this that reminds me somewhat of Christian Science. [00:26:35] Speaker A: Okay. [00:26:36] Speaker B: Do you know much about Christian Science? [00:26:38] Speaker A: I don't. Even though it sounds oxymoronic to me. [00:26:42] Speaker B: Well, and it is for sure. However, like you've probably heard of the Christian Science Monitor, right? Maybe that is actually a legitimate publication despite coming from Christian Science. But it was founded by a woman named Mary Baker Eddy. Has like a huge hub in Boston. [00:27:01] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:27:01] Speaker B: And like it has, it has these kind of, you know, it's called Christian Science, but it like doesn't really believe in a lot of like medical and stuff like that and is like very into this like woo realm. And she wrote a book that's called. It's got a very clunky title. It's something, something, something with guide to the Scriptures. Like it's just a very long. But that's what they do in their like services is like they read. They read the Bible, but they also. They read her. I see Guide to the Scriptures as well alongside it. And I feel like there's like these little bits of this that are like setting off the Mary Baker Eddy radar for me. [00:27:43] Speaker A: Yeah. Well, look, hey, as I'm certain we've spoken about before, there is kind of a cult playbook, isn't there? You know? [00:27:49] Speaker B: Well, there's like a few. I think that's kind of what's interesting about cults is like they're not. They're not all one thing. There's. But there's like little chunks of like types. Well, yeah, you get into. I mean this one seems we also. [00:28:03] Speaker A: Established the same thing about religions themselves a few weeks ago. So the fucking characters are the same. You know, the main players are the fucking same. Same story where I think the Aetherius Society sets itself apart from some other cults. However, if you think of your, I don't know, David Koresh, for example, reclusive, insulated, protected by the cult. [00:28:36] Speaker B: Yeah, that's usually a huge part of it. [00:28:38] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:28:39] Speaker B: Separating you. [00:28:40] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah. George King. No, this guy was everywhere. He was on tv, he went on, you know, interviews, newspapers, he he very much saw it as his goal to bring the fucking truth to the people, right? By any means necessary. And from the 50s onwards, he was. He was one of Britain's most visible cranks. He was every fucking way. And yeah, in 1959, George King appeared on a BBC show, a TV program called Lifeline, right, In a segment which was titled Mars and Venus Speaks to Earth. And like maybe your Uri Gellers or, you know, any other fucking carny fucking crank, he claimed on fucking live TV mid interview to go into a kind of a trance state to contact the void on fucking Terry, right, okay. And he allowed one of the Venusian masters to speak through him to the British public. [00:30:03] Speaker B: Okay? [00:30:04] Speaker A: Right? And on this show he was on a fucking panel alongside an astronomer from Cambridge University, like, sat next to one of the. To these fuckers, A. A psychologist, a Jungian fucking psychologist. [00:30:19] Speaker B: Great. [00:30:20] Speaker A: In a live debate about faith, about alien life, about science. [00:30:26] Speaker B: And he did his thing. [00:30:27] Speaker A: He just did his thing right there. [00:30:28] Speaker B: Did his thing. I mean, when, you know, there's Late Night with the Devil is kind of like ostensibly that kind of thing, right? You know, bring in. [00:30:36] Speaker A: Yeah, like, yep, yep, the crank. [00:30:38] Speaker B: And then have like the opposite side of it. And you know, there's that other movie, history of the occult, the Argentinian one that also takes like. It sort of ostensibly looks like it's from like the 60s, ish, 60s, 70s. And it's interesting because obviously I wasn't there. You weren't really either. And this clearly was like a thing they did, you know, that like. Well, look, have like some weirdo on the TV and then like the preeminent experts in their fields sit there. I feel like the equivalent, crazy, the. [00:31:11] Speaker A: Equivalent now is having, you know, like Nigel Farage on Question Time, just an absolute, just a crank. Whereas the difference being now they will be platformed and legitimized. [00:31:25] Speaker B: Right? [00:31:26] Speaker A: But I would invite you at this point, Corrigan, to go to the signal. Go to the link I've sent you, if you don't mind. [00:31:32] Speaker B: I have it all here and ready. [00:31:34] Speaker A: I have sent you a link to Mars and Venus. Speak to Earth. BBC archive footage from 1959 showing George King communing with a Venusian master. Do by all means, please hit play at 2:44 and just talk us through. What? Talk us through, listeners. You, you hear me? Commune with the void often, right? And it is a very profound experience and it leaves you change. The void leaves. It takes a piece of you with it after every time, right? And you're gonna see that Happening right now live to one of my fellow Venusian communers. So do please enjoy that and just let me know what you're seeing there. [00:32:19] Speaker B: All right, And I will try to. If I can rip this to put into the podcast, I will, but I'm not sure because it's the BBC player. Okay, but let me. Let me see what we got already. The freeze frame I have is incredible. We've got this. [00:32:30] Speaker A: Yes. [00:32:30] Speaker B: This white man with sunglasses. [00:32:34] Speaker A: Yes. Just before this clip, he has informed the interviewer that he needs. He needs to be blindfolded before. Before he can speak to someone. [00:32:41] Speaker B: Okay, so it's not sunglasses. [00:32:43] Speaker A: No, no, no. It's a blackout glass. [00:32:45] Speaker B: Yeah. Blackout glasses looking up into the void. I guess. So let's see what happens when he does that. [00:32:53] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:32:55] Speaker B: Oh, a little gasp. Oh, yeah. He's turns to one of the other guys who's looking at him with the, like, most like hell look. [00:33:08] Speaker A: Already. [00:33:13] Speaker B: He'S invented an accent for this. [00:33:16] Speaker A: Yep. [00:33:18] Speaker B: It's clever because he. He sounds like he's. He's affected this voice. [00:33:27] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:33:28] Speaker B: Where it's like a combination of accents and he speaks in pieces. Like he's trying to translate, as he's saying it. Right. [00:33:36] Speaker A: Of the Venusian dialect. [00:33:40] Speaker B: Right. [00:33:40] Speaker A: It can't be easy, man. [00:33:42] Speaker B: Earth, as you call it. And all the other guys are just giving him the most incredulous looks. Right. Like he's in blackout glasses. They are not trying to hide their disdain. Right. [00:33:58] Speaker A: Don't forget you've got a fucking. An astronomer from Cambridge there right next to him. Fuck is this guy? [00:34:05] Speaker B: Looks a little like. What's. What's the guy who plays Sherlock's brother in. [00:34:14] Speaker A: Gatis. Mark Gatiss. [00:34:15] Speaker B: Yeah. Looks like Mark Gatiss. [00:34:17] Speaker A: Yes. [00:34:18] Speaker B: So just imagine frustrated Mark Gatiss. [00:34:21] Speaker A: Yeah, that's exactly what it is. So look, what I'm saying is that George King was by no means a backseat cult leader. Right, Right. He was in the papers. He was in, like, British newspapers. He made headlines. The man who speaks to you. Yeah. [00:34:38] Speaker B: It's a fantastic stuff here. Putting on this. This act, you know, for. For these people who clearly aren't buying it. But also, like, when we were talking about Uri Geller and other, like, cranks like that who sell this, you know, bill of goods that they're doing that a lot of times. [00:34:58] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:34:59] Speaker B: Even debunking them, like I assume these guys are about to do, doesn't work. In fact, the audience sees debunking as proving. [00:35:07] Speaker A: Yes. [00:35:07] Speaker B: Those people's points. So probably the crazier he looked and the worse the other people reacted, the more people at home were like, wow, is he doing, is he really doing. [00:35:18] Speaker A: This fucking talking to a fucking Venus? [00:35:20] Speaker B: He's talking to Venus right now. That's wild. [00:35:24] Speaker A: So we're next then for the. We're next for the Ethereum Society. So after his kind of courting of the Media, by the 60s he was doing the same sort of thing in the US he was lecturing all across California. He was all over talk radio. He was again all over the newspapers. The FBI have monitoring reports on the Ethereal Society. The FBI themselves note that he made quote radio and television appearances in many different countries. The, the fucking feds were keeping an eye on him. You know, they started to publish their own print newsletters, Cosmic Voice, which was in print right up until 1963. You could, if you're an international member, you would receive the Etheria Society newsletter which would report on, you know, channeled messages direct from George King himself, updates on his travels, updates on his kind of spiritual operations. [00:36:33] Speaker B: I just, by the way, I wanted to see if any of those like us, like if there were us TV appearances. [00:36:40] Speaker A: Oh yeah, did you come up with it? [00:36:41] Speaker B: Johnny Carson or something like that. And immediately, you know, I'd probably, I'd have to look a little deeper because I'm typing weirdly past my microphone right now. So I just looked at George King TV Etherius. But what there is here that comes up is that the Ethereum Society has or at least had an active YouTube. It looks like the last thing here was four years ago. But with lots of this kind of stuff of him, I'll tell, what I. [00:37:11] Speaker A: Will tell you is that he ascended in 1997, right? [00:37:20] Speaker B: Sure. [00:37:20] Speaker A: He joined the void and became one with the master Jesus in 1997. But the media representation continues through a guy called Richard Lawrence who is one of his, you know, one of the big, one of the senior fucking disciples or whatever. [00:37:35] Speaker B: And this is the guy I'm seeing on the YouTube. Bearded Fellowship is active. I've like a beard, not like probably in his 50s. [00:37:45] Speaker A: Yeah, for sure, for sure, for sure. [00:37:47] Speaker B: Glasses. [00:37:47] Speaker A: And he's still, you know, you can still find him every now and again on you know, BBC Radio. He's, he's been on GB News unsurprisingly. And he still fights the good fight today. He still pushes the society as both a religion and a moral movement. He's still out there doing it like. [00:38:09] Speaker B: You know, you can pin a video on YouTube. Yeah, their first pin, their pinned video when you go to the channel that auto plays. And if you're. If you want to look at this, it's the Athena Therius Society. A E T H E R I U S and the video says, what if? The truth about UFOs and our purpose on Earth. [00:38:30] Speaker A: What if. [00:38:31] Speaker B: The caption then reads, discover the messages from advanced. Whoops, I accidentally clipped it. Discover the messages from advanced extraterrestrials given to us through unique member mediumship of the yoga master, Dr. George King. [00:38:44] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:38:44] Speaker B: These beautiful messages expand on spiritual teachings given to us by great masters such as the Lord Buddha, Sri Krishna, the Master Jesus, and give us a better understanding of life on and beyond Earth. [00:38:59] Speaker A: So to wrap this up, right, there's one other thing for me that sets the Ethereum Society apart from other cults that we may have discussed in the past. Right. Firstly, from all I can gather, membership is now dwindled to like a few hundred. Right. You don't get many of the Etheria Society these days. There's a few hundred of them. And even though there's, you know, you've still got senior disciples, you've still got ordained ministers and a lay membership, there's still like a hierarchy. The two headquarters in LA and Fulham, they are where they keep the spiritual energy batteries. Right. They stood, that's where they store them. But tell me something, Corrigan, what else would you say other cults that we may have discussed have in common? Give me one common factor in all of the. When you think of a cult, what is the one thing that you think they all might have in common? What happens when you want to leave a cult? [00:40:03] Speaker B: Well, that's what I was gonna say. Control. Right. Like that seems to be the main thing when we think of a culture, a cult, is that there is some attempt to separate you from everyone else and you're being strictly controlled by someone. [00:40:17] Speaker A: Yep. You know what happens when you want to leave the Etheria Society? Fuck all. You could just go. [00:40:23] Speaker B: Just go. [00:40:24] Speaker A: So thanks then. [00:40:26] Speaker B: All right. Sign out while you leave. I think that is, again, it's one of those things like Christian Science that I think is. Is interesting because, like, take for example, like evangelicalism, like there is so much social ish wrapped up in if you decide to leave that. Right? [00:40:45] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:40:46] Speaker B: And like any cult that is sort of the case. There's people who, like. Like the whole point is controlling you. And so it has to be really hard. You have to lose all your relationships when you go, you know, there has to be the fear of what's going to happen to you internally. You know, stuff like this, like, I think and like Christian Science and stuff like that. Like they kind of. There's so much more low key about that stuff like yeah, we have a whole bunch of crazy beliefs but if you decide not to. [00:41:16] Speaker A: What, What I didn't find anywhere in this is any kind of coercion, right? You know, there's, there are, there is talk of the kind of emotional dependence that ex members might feel. The kind of void that they might feel after having left a culture. All right, fine. But what they don't do is ruin your life afterwards, right? What they don't do is target your family afterwards, ruin your career afterwards. Again, this is. You asked for a Brit cult and that's exactly what this is. [00:41:43] Speaker B: Could it get more British? Is kind of a like. Well, you know. [00:41:48] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, completely, completely. [00:41:51] Speaker B: These just. It's, it's fine, I think. [00:41:54] Speaker A: Listen, I'm. Stop me if you disagree, but this is the closest I think I've yet seen to a cult, which is actually great bunch of lads. [00:42:05] Speaker B: Yeah. I mean I'm sure that the thing that goes along with stuff like that is usually like weird politics. Yeah, that's probably more of like, you know, or trying to convince people of like, you know, the Earth is flat or like, you know. Yeah, usually it's more like the closest. [00:42:23] Speaker A: The closest I see in the Ethereum is the belief of Earth as almost. What's. Is it Gaia. The Gaia theory that Earth is a living organism and we should just look after it and pray to batteries. [00:42:37] Speaker B: Right? [00:42:38] Speaker A: I, I don't know. [00:42:40] Speaker B: And it's not, you know, they're doing very little to promote. Yeah that belief, right. Like it's, it's sort of. They're letting it die out more or less. Like I'm sure they want more people to come along but whoever this current guy is who is running it, like George King, I have no doubt, was a grifter, right? Like he knew he wasn't talking to Venus, he was building an empire. [00:43:06] Speaker A: Eternal question that we wrestle with when it comes to grifters. Do you believe it or you just fucking. Either way you're thinking, I think if. [00:43:13] Speaker B: You are going on TV and channeling Venus, you fucking know you're not channeling Venus, right? Like that is the point at which you are not a true believer. You are, you are making shit up. [00:43:25] Speaker A: And I like that. He brought his little glasses with him in his pocket, you know what I mean? Pure Barnum man, pure fucking showmanship. [00:43:32] Speaker B: Whereas this other guy who is running it, like I would Wager, since he does not appear to be doing much to spread it that it is. He probably is a true believer. He is someone who found this maybe. [00:43:48] Speaker A: And, you know, and it profoundly changed his life. [00:43:52] Speaker B: Exactly. Like, because he's doing. He's in it for the love of the game here. Like, they are not making. They're getting 400 views on their YouTube videos. This is that. This is a passion project is what this is. And you gotta respect it. [00:44:10] Speaker A: Corrigan. Look. Look what podcast we're on. I mean, we get it, right? [00:44:15] Speaker B: We get it, bud. We get it. [00:44:18] Speaker A: So there you go. You wanted culty Brits. I deliver to you culty Brits. Thanks, friend. [00:44:23] Speaker B: Thank you. [00:44:26] Speaker A: Let me quote directly from my notes, if I may. [00:44:28] Speaker B: Yes, please do. [00:44:30] Speaker A: Fucking look at these nerds. Oh, mise en scene. [00:44:33] Speaker B: I don't think anyone has ever said mise en scene in such a horny way before. [00:44:37] Speaker A: The way I whispered the word sex cannibal recently. [00:44:40] Speaker B: Worst comes to worst, Mark, I'm willing to guillotine for science. [00:44:44] Speaker A: Thank you. That's really, really sweet. It's cold outside, but my pancreas is talking to me. I'm. I'm going to leg it. [00:44:50] Speaker B: You know how I feel about that, Mark. [00:44:52] Speaker A: I think you feel great about it. Yeah. You heard a lot of me talking this week. I apologize. Isn't it very. [00:45:01] Speaker B: I love how you always apologize for talking on this podcast where that's the entire point. [00:45:08] Speaker A: Yeah. All right, forget that. What did I talk about last week? I talked about the. Is it possible to quantify the maximum possible expression or kind of achievement of the absolute zenith of a physical sensation, Be that pain, be that joy, be that grief or ecstasy. Can you medically, scientifically reach the peak or the nadir of a feeling? [00:45:41] Speaker B: Sure. [00:45:42] Speaker A: Isn't it strange then, and coincidental in ways that we often manage to conjure that that very thing happened to me mere days afterwards upon hearing of the death of Ian motherfucking Watkins. Get fucking shanked with a fucking sharpened toilet brush, man. Motherfucker. [00:46:14] Speaker B: Those supernatural batteries, those crystals must have been charging the fuck up the other day, that's for sure. If you are not familiar, if you're not, you know, a certain brand of, like, Millennial or British. And Watkins was a Welsh singer of the band Lost Profits, who turned out to be like, one of the worst kinds of pedophiles that, like, it is possible to imagine. [00:46:42] Speaker A: So he won't explain no on. On. On this so easily. The worst offender of that category that I think I. I have or will ever Hear of in my lifetime. Right. [00:46:55] Speaker B: Just. Yeah. [00:46:55] Speaker A: Beyond a committed, predatory, coercive, controlling pederast of the most dangerous and graphic and violent kind. Because I have a mental problem. I. After hearing of his death, read. Which are publicly available the judge's sentencing notes. It's part of the public record of the judiciary. You can access online sentencing remarks from judges from any case. They're a matter of public record and. [00:47:35] Speaker B: I think I'll pass, but go on. [00:47:36] Speaker A: Yeah, please, trust me, do. After, After. After maybe the third or fourth page, a numbness overcomes you almost. Just a kind of emotional defense mechanism or whatever it is. You see the words, but you could. No, it. [00:47:57] Speaker B: Right. [00:47:58] Speaker A: It becomes so. So fucking awful, violently sordid and degraded that, you know, the words almost. [00:48:14] Speaker B: Cease. [00:48:14] Speaker A: To have any impact. It is. It is incredible the lows of, you know, to which a person can stoop. [00:48:26] Speaker B: As we've. We've said many times on this podcast that, you know, evil is a religious concept. It's not a real thing. But sometimes when there is someone like this, it just feels demonic. You know, it just. How. How is there a human. [00:48:41] Speaker A: Yes. [00:48:41] Speaker B: That could do these kinds of things? And apparently his prison mates felt the. [00:48:47] Speaker A: Same way on many occasions. I mean, there was a last. An attempt made on his life in 2022. So they were obviously queuing up around the fucking cell block to get the cunt. [00:48:57] Speaker B: Right. [00:48:58] Speaker A: And get him. They did. Two men finally did. Yeah, they've got. They've got two men under further arrest for it, but something tells me they won't be getting a particularly rough ride with their cellmates. [00:49:10] Speaker B: Right. Well, I. Yeah, I think, you know, these guys are in prison. They're, you know, serving whatever they are in a prison for the worst of the worst. So they're just gonna write out their sentence or whatever. And I think they're probably. [00:49:23] Speaker A: Yes. [00:49:23] Speaker B: Yeah, they're fine. I don't think they're gonna get a lot of pushback for that one. [00:49:26] Speaker A: Yes. Marco's Deadpool has three rules, right? Regular, committed Marcomaniacs will know that every New Year's Eve, I open up a deadpool where I invite people on my page to select three celebrities who they believe will die in the upcoming year. My three rules are, celebrities only. Public figures only. No real people, no relatives. Just three guesses. Three guesses only. And rule three is you don't wish death on anyone. We're not wishing death on anyone here. We are predicting it, not celebrating it. But this was the only occasion where I. I have ever broken rules. Yep. [00:50:08] Speaker B: Yes. [00:50:09] Speaker A: This one time, everybody wins and. [00:50:12] Speaker B: Precisely. [00:50:13] Speaker A: There you go. [00:50:13] Speaker B: But this week, like, there were like, five deaths and none of them came up on your Deadpool, Right? Like, no winners this whole week. [00:50:21] Speaker A: Yeah. No one had Diane Keaton. [00:50:22] Speaker B: No Diane Keaton. [00:50:23] Speaker A: Who else was there? [00:50:24] Speaker B: There's like a British band, guy who's in a famous rock band or whatever. [00:50:28] Speaker A: Oh, guy from Day. No, it's not Rush. Rush of Reformed. [00:50:33] Speaker B: Yeah. No, that guy died a while ago, too. The. I can't remember what his name is because it's not a band. I know, but one of those. There was. There's a couple on your page from the past week that. Yeah. Nobody won on any of them. [00:50:49] Speaker A: Honestly, I. I scrolled down my Facebook page and that is all it is now. [00:50:54] Speaker B: It's just the only reason. [00:50:56] Speaker A: The only reason. Diane Keaton, Ian Watkins. Oh, Jilly Cooper, the author. Jilly Cooper, Yeah. [00:51:02] Speaker B: Also the. What about the lady from the show? [00:51:08] Speaker A: Help me out. [00:51:09] Speaker B: I think it was last week, but the lady from. The old lady from the show. [00:51:13] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. Patricia Routledge. Jane Goodall. Oops, we killed her. [00:51:17] Speaker B: Jane Goodall. Yep. There's. There's been tons. [00:51:21] Speaker A: What I will say, a week or two weeks that I. I. Every year, I am surprised and delighted at how, just how popular Marco's Deadpool has become. Right. I regularly get like 150, 200 people taking part. I won't lie. I'm trying to think of ways to monetize it. [00:51:45] Speaker B: Have people throw a couple bucks in. [00:51:47] Speaker A: For, like, discord, make it interesting not. Not to bet on it, but buy in. Almost. [00:51:54] Speaker B: Sure. Mm. [00:51:58] Speaker A: Or would that be. Would that be in bad taste? I don't know. [00:52:02] Speaker B: Yeah, maybe it's possible. [00:52:05] Speaker A: I don't know. [00:52:06] Speaker B: I don't know. But it's a great time. And I'm shocked that I believe I keep putting in Gerard Depardieu and Nick Nolte. [00:52:16] Speaker A: Would you like to know? For the past two years, I've had the boys. [00:52:21] Speaker B: Yeah. You've got a spreadsheet now. [00:52:22] Speaker A: Doing. Doing me a spreadsheet on New Year's day. They spent the 1st of January going through my Facebook putting all of my Deadpool nominees into a spreadsheet. And. Yeah. [00:52:34] Speaker B: Who did I pick this year. [00:52:38] Speaker A: That you chose? I can't seem to find you. [00:52:45] Speaker B: I'm pretty sure Jared Depardue has been a multi year one for me. They better have put me in there, boys. [00:52:58] Speaker A: They better hurt. [00:53:00] Speaker B: Is it by last name? Because it might say R. Corey. [00:53:03] Speaker A: Here we go. You had Gerard Depadieu, Joe Biden, and one R. Kelly. [00:53:10] Speaker B: Oh. So I took Gary Busey off and replaced it with Byron. [00:53:17] Speaker A: You're not the only one who's picked Gerard Depardieu either. My good friend Christina Dale has also picked Gerard Depardieu. So we'll have a double win if he rolls snake eyes. [00:53:28] Speaker B: All right, well, how about R. Kelly? Are there any other R. Kellys on there? [00:53:33] Speaker A: I don't know. [00:53:34] Speaker B: You don't have to look through. I'm not asking you to go through that. [00:53:36] Speaker A: But yeah, on weeks like this. Thankfully I have the spreadsheet on weeks like this because it used to be the case that I would just scroll through everyone's comments and I was doing it at like airport fucking departure lounges and on trains and things. So there we go. And that's all affected the system about that. How are you doing? Are you good? [00:53:54] Speaker B: Oh, I'm good. Listen, I'm a little tired. The dog for some reason got bored in the middle of the night, decided he needed to go for a stroll. So that was a pain in the butt. And then I woke up early. Dogs be doing that, you know, they're weird. And then I've started because, you know, I have my fit at 40 goal now. And so I've hunkered down and I have joined a local gym called the Max that just does classes. [00:54:25] Speaker A: Great name for a gym. And they. [00:54:27] Speaker B: Yes, the Max. [00:54:28] Speaker A: No fucking round on what you're gonna get out of them. [00:54:31] Speaker B: Yeah. And listen, they live up to that name, man. I've. I went Thursday and like, could like breathing hurt my core for like three days afterwards. And then today I was like, I'm back. Yes, let's go. And so today, like Mondays are cardio and so I'm like, great, perfect. Doing a lot of cardio. But there was a lot of core in the cardio class today. So I am going to be like, my core is going to be so strong. Like you're going to be able to plank on me. Oh. By the time I come to, to visit. [00:55:07] Speaker A: Yeah, I love that. [00:55:08] Speaker B: So, you know, just get ready for like newly. Very strong Corrigan. [00:55:13] Speaker A: Corrigan. C O R E Corrigan. [00:55:17] Speaker B: Yeah, exactly. [00:55:17] Speaker A: You can have that. Help me out. A little dilemma here, which you might be able to help me so you might be able to give us some guidance on. So again, I'm, I'm, I'm all about done with the fitness, as you know. I'm running 10ks the gym all the time. So I bought new running, a new running top from on Running on Tindernet. Right. [00:55:38] Speaker B: Yes. [00:55:39] Speaker A: And it took a couple of days to arrive and the Royal Mail hadn't updated to say that it's on its way. So I text, you know, I go through the chat bot and shit like that and they say, finally get to someone and they're like, ah, okay, we're. It's by this point undeliverable, so we'll just send you out a replacement. Right? They've. They've both arrived. [00:55:59] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. Nicely done. [00:56:01] Speaker A: So I don't know what to do. [00:56:04] Speaker B: Well, they're yours now, aren't they? [00:56:06] Speaker A: They've only, they've, They've certainly only charged me for one. But what do I do? I mean, will I go to jail? [00:56:14] Speaker B: They don't know. Listen, I say those are yours. Those are yours. They should have shipped faster. That's on them. [00:56:23] Speaker A: Okay, fine. Okay. Do I need to atone, pray or anything like that? [00:56:28] Speaker B: No, I think it's okay. This is. I mean, I think I talked about. What did I talk on here about my accidentally stealing from CVS a few weeks ago. [00:56:36] Speaker A: Oh, you didn't. [00:56:37] Speaker B: I did. Or I thought I did. I might not have. I think the receipt had everything. But what had happened was I went to self checkout and I had gone. Friends, kids don't come trick or treating on my street. I talk about this every year. I live in a cul de sac and nobody else decorates or anything like that. So it's like a no man's land. The kids just walk right by and keep going down Willowdale. Plus, this is not the rich side of town. And so they all go to like this one street on the rich side. Like even the kids who live on my street go to the rich side of town where they get like full sized everything or whatever. So I've started buying full size things on the like off chance someone comes to the door. Like, and occasionally I'll get one. And my neighbors usually try to humor me by like coming by. So I went to CVS and I was like, I'm going big, right? And I like bought all this stuff. I got some, like, I got a cute little like fall throw blanket. I got candles, I got like huge candies, got Pez dispensers, like all kinds of stuff. I'm like, my neighbor kids at least are gonna get like, like care packages, trick or treat shit, right? Like just calculize greatness. Yes. I am personally responsible for their dentist bill come the end of October. But I went and I got all this and then I went to self checkout and like self Checkout. I don't know if you have the same kind. Do you have self checkouts there? [00:58:09] Speaker A: Oh, for sure. Yes, yes, yes. [00:58:10] Speaker B: And so I don't know if yours does the same thing when you put stuff down. Like if you scan something, you put it in the bagging area. Right. And if it doesn't sense something in the bagging area. [00:58:22] Speaker A: Yes. [00:58:22] Speaker B: It's like unexpected item. Yeah. Or if you put something ahead, unexpected item. All this. And it's like stressful. You know, I'm like trying to, like now there's so much stuff on this because I've gone too big and I should have gone to the regular register and like things are falling out and all of that kind of stuff. And so I'm just like trying to put this in. And I had put like a bucket down, like a Halloween trick or treat bucket and was putting things in it. And so I check out and I go. And as I'm walking out and I'm wearing headphones, right? And so I walk out and I hear through my headphones as I'm walking out that the like beep, beep, beep, beep goes off. And I just keep on walking. Blue ba doo bloo. And then I'm like, to my car. And then I'm like, wait, was that me? [00:59:08] Speaker A: You did a crime? [00:59:10] Speaker B: Did I do a crime? And but like being like, well, very disappointed. I have my. I have my shopping basket, so I have to take it back. So I walk that basket all the way up in the doors, wait for someone to come say, excuse me, ma', am, you have done theft. But nobody said anything. [00:59:31] Speaker A: Right. [00:59:31] Speaker B: Well, then, much like I returned to the scene. [00:59:34] Speaker A: It's on them, right. [00:59:36] Speaker B: Like I came back. [00:59:38] Speaker A: Yeah. Like Ted Bundy. [00:59:41] Speaker B: Right. Like, if that happens, get out of jail. [00:59:46] Speaker A: You're the same as Ted Bundy. [00:59:47] Speaker B: You're just exactly the same as Ted Bundy. So that's my first maybe shoplifting experience that I've had in my life. It was very harrowing. [00:59:57] Speaker A: I used to fucking love to shoplift. [01:00:00] Speaker B: I think, like most especially boys. I think most like boys went through this phase and a lot of girls too. But like, I just. My anxiety is too high for something like that. [01:00:11] Speaker A: The first couple of times, it's like, it's. It's like the geezer in True Romance. First couple of times, you know, you end. Then you end up just doing it just for a laugh, right? [01:00:21] Speaker B: Yeah. Then you end up Winona Ryder. [01:00:24] Speaker A: Yes. Yeah, that's also true. Right. Let me see. Not to want to go too Far into this. But I do have a question for you. [01:00:32] Speaker B: Okay. [01:00:34] Speaker A: Has Donald Trump ended the war between Israel and Hamas? [01:00:40] Speaker B: I don't know. They end it, like, every, like, three months. [01:00:42] Speaker A: But has. Has Donald Trump specifically made this ceasefire happen? [01:00:49] Speaker B: Yeah, I guess. Okay, it seems that way, but, like, with, like, basically the caveats that now we own Gaza, essentially. So, you know, the hostages are returned and, like, a thousand Palestinian hostages are being returned and, like, Gaza is going to be run. So Hamas has given up running Gaza. [01:01:16] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:01:16] Speaker B: And it has been turned over to, like, an international committee that is, like, headed by the US And Israel and various other people that are basically just going to turn it into a resort. [01:01:32] Speaker A: What I guess I'm asking is, does. Does this in any way balance his ledger? [01:01:44] Speaker B: No, absolutely not. Not even slightly. For one thing, I do not hold hope that they don't start bombing it again, like, as soon as everyone gets back into their houses. Because that's what's happened with every single one of these ceasefire deals, is that, you know, a couple days later, Netanyahu goes, oh, Hamas actually didn't do this little thing. So now we kill them all again. So I don't have hope that it's going to last. [01:02:12] Speaker A: Let's, hypothetically, let's assume it does. Let's assume the. [01:02:14] Speaker B: The ceasefire holds, and in which case, yeah, he's given away somebody else's land, Right. So to turn it into a monetary opportunity for himself. Okay, fine, no points there. And meanwhile, on the streets of the United States, they are kidnapping children from their schools and, you know, people sending people to countries they've never been to and all kinds of things. So now there's zero balance to the ledger of a administration that is every day torturing, killing, deporting, point so forth. [01:02:52] Speaker A: All I needed to know. Thank you. [01:02:53] Speaker B: Yeah, happy to help. [01:02:57] Speaker A: Again, I'm talking a lot this week, and I apologize. Now I've got. [01:03:00] Speaker B: You're allowed to do that. [01:03:01] Speaker A: I have an opportunity. People like when you talk, I have an opportunity. I have an opportunity. Hit me yesterday. Erstwhile guest and friend of the podcast, Peter Lewis. Right. My son. [01:03:15] Speaker B: Yes. [01:03:16] Speaker A: Comes to me in the kitchen just as I'm eating my nighttime kiwi. Right. Which is a thing I do. [01:03:23] Speaker B: It is, yes. [01:03:25] Speaker A: And he says to me, dad, can I say the S word? Right, right. Waiting for this. [01:03:34] Speaker B: Okay. Yes. [01:03:35] Speaker A: And I. And I look at him and I go, what's the context? Is it. Is it, you know, is it offensive? Are you going to. Is it. Is it about someone? He goes, no, no. So I pause And I go, yeah, all right. Then you know what he says to me? [01:03:47] Speaker B: What's he say? [01:03:48] Speaker A: He says, dad, this Halloween, I want you to really shit me up with a movie. [01:03:58] Speaker B: Yes. Oh, perfect. Usage. [01:04:01] Speaker A: A what could. Yeah, that is exactly. [01:04:05] Speaker B: I think you have to, like, give him first drink after that. [01:04:09] Speaker A: But what this feels like Corrigan and Listeners, because I'm asking you this, as much as Corey is, I feel like I've got one fucking shot at this. [01:04:18] Speaker B: Right, Right. What is. This is a big, big ass. [01:04:21] Speaker A: He's also. And you'll enjoy this, as will if I know a few of our other listeners. He is, as we speak, independently, with no bidding or any outside influence going through Scream again. He loves Scream. He's watching all the screams again, just. [01:04:34] Speaker B: Like me when I was his age. That makes me very happy. [01:04:36] Speaker A: But I've got one fucking crack at this to really show him what it's all about. [01:04:42] Speaker B: Give him a real good one. [01:04:44] Speaker A: I've got one fucking shot at fucking showing him what I've been, what I love. Right. And I don't want. I don't want anything that's gonna fucking fuck him up, but I. [01:04:55] Speaker B: Right. Yeah. No right column. [01:04:58] Speaker A: Or is there a fucking fourth column? That's in between left and. That's in between right and middle. [01:05:06] Speaker B: Between right and middle. Yeah. [01:05:09] Speaker A: Maybe I need. I need something that's kind of modern, ish era, So I think 2000s and beyond. Sorry, 22 thousands and beyond. I need something. I need something with scares. I need something that's gonna challenge him. I need something that's gonna just. I need something that's on the edges of what he thinks he's gonna get. I wanna. I want him. I want. Have you ever been, like, on a fairground ride and you're not sure if you're gonna fall off? You ever had that? Like when the bar maybe isn't down far enough? [01:05:46] Speaker B: Right. Yeah. [01:05:47] Speaker A: Or it's a little steep and you think, oh, am I in danger here? [01:05:50] Speaker B: Yeah, you're safe, but you don't feel like it. [01:05:53] Speaker A: Yeah, that's the spot I need for him. [01:05:57] Speaker B: That's good. Does he. So obviously we know he likes a slasher. He likes. He likes a scream. He likes a final destination. [01:06:07] Speaker A: He likes a fierce treat. [01:06:09] Speaker B: He likes a fear street. Yeah. Like, so. He likes the slasher stuff. Like, what about. What about zombies? Ghosts? Like, what else Monsters? Like, what. What is his. What are we feeling in those cases? Do any of those appeal to it? [01:06:23] Speaker A: The. My head is somewhere near. Maybe Host. [01:06:29] Speaker B: Mmm. Host is good. [01:06:31] Speaker A: It's a fucking scary film. [01:06:33] Speaker B: It is, yeah. [01:06:34] Speaker A: I also think it might be time for the Thing. [01:06:38] Speaker B: The Thing is a great choice. [01:06:41] Speaker A: That might be a little old. [01:06:44] Speaker B: Well, yeah, that's the thing is it's like trying to put my like head in the place of a 14 year old, you know that, that kind of has that space where it's old so it doesn't staring me in the face. [01:06:57] Speaker A: It's been staring me in the motherfucking face. [01:07:01] Speaker B: Okay, what is it? [01:07:02] Speaker A: It's Evil Dead 2013. [01:07:05] Speaker B: Wow, that is. Ooh, you're really going in, isn't it? I mean, maybe, yeah. [01:07:16] Speaker A: The, the, the best horror films of, of of the 2000s. Evil Dead 2000, I think. [01:07:22] Speaker B: Because he specifically asked you to shit him up, right? Because I'm thinking like in terms of what he normally likes. He likes like a little bit of like humor to it or whatever, things like that. Like a little bit of a, you know, commenting on whatever. And this doesn't have that in that way, but it absolutely is a shit em up movie. [01:07:45] Speaker A: I think that's it. You know, I think that's the one. [01:07:48] Speaker B: What is, what is Laura gonna say to that? [01:07:51] Speaker A: She's gonna know. [01:07:58] Speaker B: I think. Yeah, I think that's a pretty solid choice. But if you guys have anything that you're like, no, Mark, come on. I'd love this is what I showed my 14 year old. [01:08:07] Speaker A: Or I know we ask, we ask you questions each week, friends, and we get answers. We do, we do, we do. But I would love to know if your 14 year old said to you, dad or mum, I want you to ship me up with a horror movie. Where would you go? Because I really think I've got it, you know, I really think it's Evil Dead 2013. [01:08:28] Speaker B: Yeah, I think, I think that's pretty good. [01:08:32] Speaker A: Very nice. So proud though. [01:08:36] Speaker B: Yeah, I know, that's so. That's pretty great. What is. I can't remember if we've talked about this, but what's Owen's like position on horror? Take it or leave it. [01:08:48] Speaker A: Well, he's. Owen's more of a. Excuse me, let me just readjust my nuts again. I'm sat on my paws. [01:08:58] Speaker B: This is not his first nut adjustment just for the. [01:09:01] Speaker A: Right. [01:09:01] Speaker B: Oh. [01:09:04] Speaker A: There we go. Right. Owen's major skill is that there's no one like him who can binge a TV show. He'll fucking, he'll just inhale one. And he adored Stranger Things. Adored it. [01:09:20] Speaker B: That's right. Yes. Okay. Yep, we discussed that one. [01:09:23] Speaker A: So that's the level he's at. He was actually off sick from school today, and because one of his teachers that he likes is a big Star wars fan, he watched A New Hope and Empire Strikes Back, back to back, and seem to quite like them. [01:09:37] Speaker B: Interesting. Okay. [01:09:39] Speaker A: Could I. I don't think he's. He's ready for the journey yet. [01:09:43] Speaker B: Sure. Yeah. You know, he hasn't showed the, like, dad, I really want you to. [01:09:48] Speaker A: Not yet. [01:09:49] Speaker B: Get me into this. [01:09:50] Speaker A: It's just the way that he asked if he could say the S word. [01:09:54] Speaker B: That's so cute. Also, I feel like the S word is, like, a pretty safe one in general. Like, you don't use it at. I guess you could call someone a piece of or whatever, but, like, generally it's more descriptive. [01:10:07] Speaker A: Oh, it was. It was just super. Can I say this? I'm gonna. I want you to really sh. Me up. I was the best. It was brilliant. So good. [01:10:16] Speaker B: I love your kids. [01:10:17] Speaker A: Yeah, me too. Me too. [01:10:20] Speaker B: Anything else did you wanted to bring up? [01:10:23] Speaker A: Let me see now. Oh, well, we finished Ed Gein. [01:10:31] Speaker B: Oh, yeah, we. We did it. When we last spoke to you, dear friends, I think we were at. Had he turned Irish yet? Had we hit six? [01:10:42] Speaker A: No, that was a. That was a. That was a big plot twist in Ed Gein. [01:10:46] Speaker B: Big plot twist. He started to talk in Irish. He becomes straight Irish for the entire back half. [01:10:54] Speaker A: I sure like to look at them panties. Oh, do you think you could get me some of those panties? Oh. Oh, nurse. [01:11:03] Speaker B: Oh, what? [01:11:04] Speaker A: Do you know what I'd really love in the cell, nurse, is a nice bra. [01:11:09] Speaker B: Hello. It's crazy. Like, we both noticed it, like, immediately. Like. And then I even. I looked simple, boy. I just went on Blue sky and I looked up. [01:11:24] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:11:25] Speaker B: All joking aside, episode six, that's where it happens. [01:11:28] Speaker A: And this isn't even a matter of opinion. It was. No, it was objective. He started doing an Irish accent for no fucking reason at all, which describes. [01:11:41] Speaker B: Most of this show, but yet somehow. [01:11:43] Speaker A: That'S the least of its ills. That's the least of its problems. [01:11:47] Speaker B: Yeah. Like, we. There was the host of problems that we described about the first half of this, and it introduces just an entirely different set from that point on. [01:12:00] Speaker A: Episode eight. Entirely new cast of characters and an entirely new plotline. Why the fuck not? [01:12:06] Speaker B: Yeah. By episode eight, he literally solves the Ted Bundy. [01:12:12] Speaker A: He does. [01:12:13] Speaker B: He solves. [01:12:14] Speaker A: He helps the Mindhunters find headbunders. [01:12:18] Speaker B: The Mindhunters. Literally. [01:12:21] Speaker A: Like, literally. [01:12:22] Speaker B: And it just reminds you how much you miss Mindhunter completely. You see them do this Budget ass Mindhunter. [01:12:30] Speaker A: We can't get a fucking season three of Mind Cops. And yet they put the mine cops in Ed Gein in a fictional plot where he fucking. [01:12:42] Speaker B: He tells them that Bundy. Oh, he's been writing to me. [01:12:46] Speaker A: Thank you. If you want to cut off a head, you've got to use a fine tooth. Saw you. If I were you, I'd be looking at people buying that kind of thing. And the mine cops are like, thanks Ed Gein. And they go off and fucking use that information to find Ted Bundy. Like, he's like, it's Batman Begins. Fucking terrible, terrible shit. And again, that isn't, that isn't. None of these things are the worst thing about it. It's just, you know, I bemoaned the length of time that they gave the making of Texas Chainsaw Massacre. Right. Because it had eight minutes of screen time. They devote gotta be about 90 seconds on the set of Silence of the Lambs, right? [01:13:27] Speaker B: Yeah. With a guy who does not look anything like Buffalo Bill. [01:13:31] Speaker A: Does an excellent tuck back. [01:13:32] Speaker B: No, does. Yeah, I mean he nails the dance, but that's literally. [01:13:38] Speaker A: And by tuck back, I mean the move where a gentleman, the mangina will tuck their penis and testicle sack between their two thighs and squeeze the thighs together, thus creating the illusion of not having any external male genitalia. The tuck back. [01:14:02] Speaker B: Thank you for. Thank you for explaining that. But that like also, that whole thing just leads into like. I think what is probably actually its worst sin besides being bad is just how like transphobic on like nine different levels. This show actually is where it brings in like an autogynephilia thing, which is like a debunked and hateful idea. But that's what they say Ed Gein is in this, which he was not. Yes, there is. All of that was made up after the fact that you have like the. A character who is, you know, basically is brought in just to show us like what looks like a trans woman getting butt fucked in jail. But again, that person which was Speck, was that his last name? [01:14:54] Speaker A: Richard Speck, I believe. [01:14:55] Speaker B: Richard Speck, yeah. Who also wasn't trans, but just took female hormones for the purpose of like getting drugs and stuff like that in exchange for sex in jail. Like again, not a trans person. But that's not explained in this movie. I mean, in this show. [01:15:13] Speaker A: And, and didn't, didn't. Didn't correspond with Ed Gein at all. [01:15:17] Speaker B: I believe didn't correspond with Ed Gein at all. But they make him his hero in this like, and of course, just to. [01:15:23] Speaker A: Be clear, at no point. At no point was Ed Gein questioned or. [01:15:30] Speaker B: No. [01:15:30] Speaker A: Conversed with in any sense regarding Bundy yet? [01:15:34] Speaker B: No, not at all. [01:15:35] Speaker A: That's the whole last episode. Is. Is him joining the Minecops in the hunt for Ed Bundy. [01:15:41] Speaker B: Yeah. Before he finally gets a joyful send off to heaven to be reunited with his mother. [01:15:48] Speaker A: That's right. [01:15:49] Speaker B: What was the song? That was the. [01:15:51] Speaker A: Oh, God. [01:15:53] Speaker B: It's like an 80s new wave song that they were playing. [01:15:56] Speaker A: Oh, Owner of a lonely hut. [01:15:58] Speaker B: Yes. Owner of a lonely hut. Yes. [01:16:00] Speaker A: He's owner of a lonely hut with all of the serial killers that he supposedly inspired. Big Ed is in there. Big Ed Kemper. [01:16:07] Speaker B: Somehow. The message of this show is that we're the monsters. [01:16:12] Speaker A: Yes. There's. Honestly, his. You know, like, the Jamiroquai video where he's on the moving floor. [01:16:19] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:16:19] Speaker A: Ritual insanity. There's like, the parade of faces and disco lights while. While Ed Gein goes to heaven with his mum. Fucking wild. Wild. [01:16:35] Speaker B: Just like it. I feel pranked, Mark. I feel like. Like there is no way this was intended to be good. This is a prank that has been perpetrated on all of us. [01:16:47] Speaker A: Wild. [01:16:48] Speaker B: That's what this. Don't watch it. My God. [01:16:52] Speaker A: See, one of the interesting or one of the things I remember about being really interesting about Dharma, right, Was in. In one or two episodes, we cut to Gacy. We cut to John Wayne Gacy, and I thought that they were like, all right, let's MCU this. Let's tease the other killers. [01:17:10] Speaker B: Right. Yeah. [01:17:10] Speaker A: That. You're gonna get next. [01:17:11] Speaker B: Yeah. You even said it at the time. [01:17:13] Speaker A: There you go. [01:17:13] Speaker B: I see what they're doing. [01:17:14] Speaker A: They're doing the little nmc. Yeah. [01:17:18] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:17:19] Speaker A: I think that's a really smart idea, frankly. And I think that would have absolutely killed. Pardon the punch. And if I did for a moment think during that last episode, when it fucking opens with. With Bundy, I thought, oh, they're doing this. They're teasing Bundy as another chapter. But no, it was. It was about. Not only was it about Ed Bundy, it was about Ed Bundy, and it was another episode of Minecops, and Ed Gein was helping to catch him. And I'm aghast. I'm just aghast. Yeah. [01:17:50] Speaker B: I've never seen anything like it before. [01:17:52] Speaker A: Mad shit. Just do not watch Ed Gein. Everybody involved in that show deserves to be the Hague. Well, they deserve me chloroforming them. Right. And binding their hands and feet together like A chicken like you'd find in the supermarket and throwing them into a lake. [01:18:12] Speaker B: Yeah, I think that's fair. [01:18:14] Speaker A: That's what everybody who works on that deserves. And that means you too, Charlie Hunnam. Especially you. [01:18:18] Speaker B: Yes. Oh boy. So that was our week. We'll do something nicer next. Something with a better reviews. I don't know. Choices were made. [01:18:35] Speaker A: We can go out on a good note. We had a heck of a fun watch along, did we not? [01:18:39] Speaker B: Heck yeah, we did. Oh my gosh. This was I think like the most across the board, well loved watch along choice that we have. [01:18:48] Speaker A: I can't think of another one. I can't think of another one where we were united in unanimity as we were. Unanimity? Is that a word? [01:18:55] Speaker B: I think so, yeah. [01:18:56] Speaker A: Fair enough. It was as unanimously loved as Meet the Feebles was unanimously hated. [01:19:03] Speaker B: Yes, exactly. [01:19:04] Speaker A: Talk about balancing a ledger. I am now in, I'm back in the black this time, right? I will hear no more. Don't ever mention it again. It didn't happen, right? It's been fucking expunged from the record. [01:19:16] Speaker B: I don't think everyone agreed to that necessarily. [01:19:19] Speaker A: But it certainly it was in a small print anyway. The Toxic Avenger is fantastic. The new Toxic Avenger is great. Dinklage is so likable, man. He is the most. [01:19:30] Speaker B: Such a great loser klutz. [01:19:33] Speaker A: It, this is a film which manages to be simultaneously acab as fuck. It is anti capitalist, it is anti private health care. It is anti Juggalo. Weirdly, I mean, what's it Insane Clown Posse do to anyone? Very, very funny, very sharp, very gory. I, I detected a blend of practical and CG gore which worked for me. [01:20:02] Speaker B: They did a really good job with that. [01:20:04] Speaker A: Yeah, I, I can't, I really, I, I, I, I'm trying to, to, to think of a, of any builds for Toxic Avenger 2025 and I just can't. It's, it's, it's a hell of a good time, real fun. And the chat. Often the chat would be quiet because people would just be watching the movie. [01:20:23] Speaker B: We were all just genuinely watching it. [01:20:26] Speaker A: Yes. [01:20:26] Speaker B: Like I don't have any, I'm not, I have nothing to mock. I have nothing. I'm just enjoying watching this movie. [01:20:32] Speaker A: Yes, yes. [01:20:34] Speaker B: Yeah, it's great. It's like when everyone stops talking while eating. You know, the food is so good. We were, we were eating good with. [01:20:42] Speaker A: Toxic Avenger on watch alongs. I, I know I say it monthly or you know, semi monthly whenever we manage to get them in. They really do play a very beneficial and therapeutic role to my mental health. You know, watch alongs. I enjoy them a great deal. We have a wonderful core of people there. More are always welcome. More are always, always welcome. Maybe I could do more to publicize them ahead of time. Maybe I could do more to drum up a business on the wall. [01:21:09] Speaker B: Isn't that. But again, put that on our business cards. [01:21:13] Speaker A: Maybe we. [01:21:14] Speaker B: Maybe we could promote this and, like, get more people. [01:21:18] Speaker A: But you know what? I can't remember who it was who said it might have been Helms back in the day. It's only ever going to take one episode to catch. [01:21:28] Speaker B: Right? [01:21:29] Speaker A: Only ever gonna take one episode to catch, and then we're going to the moon, right? [01:21:40] Speaker B: I think we'd have to change our names and start a new podcast if that happened. [01:21:43] Speaker A: And you'll all be glad that you were there for the first five years, right? One episode's all it's gonna take. [01:21:52] Speaker B: Can you imagine how much we'd both hate it? Suddenly there were, like, a million people. Can you imagine how fucking awful that would be? [01:22:04] Speaker A: Let me ask you something, because this. This is something that came to me when my mind was off gambling through Meadows. Right? [01:22:11] Speaker B: Okay. [01:22:13] Speaker A: What. When the advertisers come knocking at our door, which they will. Rice, are there. What products. What would you advertise? [01:22:26] Speaker B: That's a good question. [01:22:27] Speaker A: What would you take the snacks for? Snacks? [01:22:30] Speaker B: Yeah, just snacks. A lot. [01:22:36] Speaker A: That's a bit broad. All right. All right, fine. [01:22:39] Speaker B: I mean, I don't know. I. I don't. As you know, of the two of us, I'm not like, a big consumer. [01:22:47] Speaker A: No, that's true. [01:22:49] Speaker B: I have trouble thinking of products because I'm like, I don't. I don't have products, but I do like to eat. So if there was, like, a good snack that, like, really food stuff, like my little cherry pie that I was just eating. [01:23:02] Speaker A: Munchos. [01:23:03] Speaker B: Munchos. If Munchos came knocking, fuck, I'd sell the shit out of Munchos. Best chip on earth, let me tell you. Nice. [01:23:13] Speaker A: Very nice. [01:23:13] Speaker B: What about you? What would you advertise? [01:23:15] Speaker A: Oh, pesticides. [01:23:22] Speaker B: Chem Grass. [01:23:23] Speaker A: Pesticides. Just poisons. Just generally. [01:23:32] Speaker B: Yeah, naturally. [01:23:34] Speaker A: That's it. Now, you've seen a load of movies this week, haven't you? I've only seen one, and I'm not even allowed to talk about it, so. [01:23:41] Speaker B: Okay. Mark saw the Long Walk. [01:23:44] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:23:45] Speaker B: And I really want to see it, but they took it out of the indie theater, and I don't know anything about it. [01:23:51] Speaker A: Oh, speaking of which, can I just mega briefly? [01:23:54] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:23:54] Speaker A: Next week, the Prince Charles cinema in London is doing an 18 hour marathon of the entire final season of twin peaks. Fucking 18 hours. It runs from half eight until quarter past two the next afternoon. [01:24:12] Speaker B: What's the longest, like movie marathon in a theater? You've got, you've gone to. [01:24:16] Speaker A: I don't believe I've ever gone to a multiple. Oh, you've never done a marathon in the theater? [01:24:23] Speaker B: No, we did that. My friends and I did the Cornetto trilogy. [01:24:27] Speaker A: Okay. [01:24:28] Speaker B: When they released that, End of the World was fine. [01:24:34] Speaker A: I don't like the World's End one bit. And I don't really particularly like Hot Fuzz either. Although it is notoriously difficult to track down. If you, if I ever managed to lay my hands on a copy of Hot Fuzz, it's only available through kind of resellers, flea markets. If you're really lucky, they do turn up secondhand once in a blue moon. Very tough film. [01:24:55] Speaker B: He's doing a bit, you guys, because it's on TV all the time. [01:24:59] Speaker A: Very hard to get hold of. [01:25:02] Speaker B: I love Hot Fuzz, though. That's my favorite of all of them, which I probably reference like every other day. There's always something I can reference from Hot Fuzz. [01:25:11] Speaker A: Didn't do much. There's one, one out of three films plus, plus I'm Edgar Wright. And the other one. No, not Edgar Wright, Sean fucking what's his fucking name. There's so much I fucking hate him. Simon Peggy. [01:25:28] Speaker B: Oh, Simon Pegg. Right, right. [01:25:30] Speaker A: And Nick Frost are now both dead to me. [01:25:32] Speaker B: Well, yeah, Nick Frost unfortunately joined the, the Rowling Squad. [01:25:39] Speaker A: Simon Peggy is such a twat, isn't he? Have you seen him have like, like. [01:25:45] Speaker B: 0 thoughts on Simon Pegg? I think I read his memoir back in the day and liked it, but I don't, I don't have these kinds of feelings about Simon Pegg one way or another. [01:25:57] Speaker A: He, I, I just, you get, I get the impression from him that he has spent so long around Tom Cruise, he thinks that he's, that he, that he's a celebrity of similar stature. [01:26:11] Speaker B: He's got the Martin Freeman syndrome, also dead to me. [01:26:17] Speaker A: So no, I, I, as much as I love Shaun of the Dead or loved Shaun of the Dead at the time, I'm not going near it again because those two leads are fucking awful. [01:26:26] Speaker B: I own them on, on DVD or whatever, so I'm not paying them any money. Anytime that I watch those movies and you know, my, if I loved it before I found out they were terrible. I get to keep it. [01:26:39] Speaker A: So I don't know if Simon Pegg is terrible, like morally or any. I don't think he's done anything. [01:26:43] Speaker B: Right, right. Yeah. You just don't like the cut of. [01:26:45] Speaker A: His jib stand, his face. [01:26:46] Speaker B: But Nick Frost getting on board the Turf show, that's unfortunate because I really did like him a lot. And that is. That sucks. Yeah, but, yeah, we did that one in theaters, so that was, you know, like six hours. Ish. Or something like that. Yeah, but they're like those I've considered going to ones that were like, longer and then I remember I'm a sleepy. [01:27:11] Speaker A: So 18 hours of twin Peaks in one go. Can you imagine coming out of that, trying to readjust. Yeah, exactly. Trying to reintegrate into life after that. [01:27:24] Speaker B: It can't be good for you. [01:27:25] Speaker A: Do you know there are days, and I mean this. I mean this with my full fucking heart and sincerity, there are days when I really keenly feel the loss of David Lynch. It happened early this week. I was just going about my day and I realized that we no longer share an earth with David Lynch. And it really, really fucking. It was. It was tangible. It was in me. If I felt it, man, it was really, really strange, you know? [01:27:52] Speaker B: The Amazon, I believe, has just released a documentary called I Like Me about John Candy. And John Candy I have been having that feeling about for the last three, 30 years. I remember when he died, I think it was 94, so I was like 9 years old. And I remember seeing the front cover of like, Newsweek or whatever that like, announced it and like, just like my heart, like so breaking into a thousand pieces. And the other day I was sitting on the couch with Walt and they showed like some interviews from that documentary on the news. And then I started thinking about Del Griffith, his character in Planes, Trains and Automobiles. And I just burst into tears all of a sudden. And the dog was looking at me like, do I. Am I supposed to, like, do something? What's, what's my. What's my job here? I don't. I don't know. But. [01:28:52] Speaker A: But if it was Walt in your voice, like, what the you're crying at, you dumb boy? The. Out of here. John Candy, shut up. Give me a. [01:29:01] Speaker B: But it's. Yeah, I think every now and again there's like someone like that who. It's been 30 years and like, still I'm like, I can't believe that we, like you said, we don't share this planet anymore. Like, that is. That's crazy. [01:29:19] Speaker A: Yeah, it is. It is zigzagging all over the place here. What have you watched? [01:29:23] Speaker B: Come on, we are. Oh boy. So I won't like talk in depth about everything, but listen, friends, I have leaned in. If you recall, in September, I was like, I have not watched anything because I don't want to be stressed in any way. I just feel like things stress me out in movies. And as soon as it hit October, I was like, spooky season, spooky season. And I have gone so hard and every day, if you follow my Instagram, you know this. But I have like a little candle that I did not steal from cvs. I paid for that. But it did come from the CVS experience that I have sitting in front of my television and I light my little candle and I make myself a mug of tea and I sit down and I watch a spooky. And it has been just absolute perfection. [01:30:14] Speaker A: Just hit me with. Give me some names. [01:30:17] Speaker B: So, yeah, let's see. I started out. Well, listen, I started out this season with practical magic because it is just the most autumn y autumn y thing you get. Like the witches starting the seasons with witches in a fall vibe. [01:30:32] Speaker A: Can't go wrong. [01:30:33] Speaker B: It does not get much better than that. So practical magic, always a great choice. I watched something called the Borderlands that I'm going to have to look at at my review and my review just says, boy, they sure went all in at the end. Oh, this was. [01:30:51] Speaker A: Why do I think I've seen that? [01:30:53] Speaker B: It's British Vatican investigators are sent to the British west country to investigate paranormal activity and they find the events are more disturbing than they first imagined. It's a found footage and it's, you know, it's got some. I like the characters. The characters are pretty fun. As I say literally every time we talk about found footage. I want good characters if they seem real to me. [01:31:17] Speaker A: No, I haven't seen it, but that sounds very familiar to me. [01:31:23] Speaker B: Interesting. Well, yeah, the Borderlands is, is fun enough and it's, you know, it's not quite slow, but it's, I guess mid speed. And once it gets to the end of Suddenly, it kind of reminds me of that Turkish movie that we watched where suddenly they like are like in hell. [01:31:43] Speaker A: Yeah, sure, sure things are happening to them. Yeah, yeah, yeah. [01:31:46] Speaker B: The cops that end up like in a portal to hell or whatever, like it just. Where it just goes all of a sudden like the Borderlands is like this kind of like. Oh, you're just found footagey watching like these priests as they try to Sort out like basically a miracle that seems to have happened. Like they're trying to figure out if it's real or not. And so you're just like watching them try to like debunk it and all that. And then all of a sudden it fucking gets crazy at the end of it. So, you know, the borderlands is fine. It's not going to change your life. I had to click it to remember what it even was. But you know, if you just want something to put on, not bad. Continuing in my British theme. Well, I think it kind of takes place in Wales. I watched Dog Soldiers. Okay. Which I believe takes place in North Wales, actually. [01:32:35] Speaker A: But yes, like an army training maneuvers, which is. Which North Wales is famous for. There are absolutely loads of army exercises. No, I'm not. I'm absolutely not. [01:32:47] Speaker B: Okay. They are all right. [01:32:49] Speaker A: Also that's actually good context because I did one Breckin Beacons. You get loads of military training exercises in that neck of the woods. [01:32:55] Speaker B: Okay. I wondered while watching it, I was like, is this like a thing that very much. Why would there be soldiers in Wales Very much so. Training this. But okay, great. So now I know and probably most people have seen Dog Soldiers, but you know, a fun little gory werewolf movie about soldiers who get dorn to shit by werewolves and then it becomes, you know, these guys trying to figure out what's going on and basically stay alive through the night. [01:33:26] Speaker A: Great movie. By no means Neil Marshall's finest hour though, as we know. [01:33:33] Speaker B: Yeah, we know what you. You would say that is. [01:33:35] Speaker A: I know. I don't need to say it. You all know. [01:33:40] Speaker B: And then I watched a Canadian film called the Righteous, which I. What I think is delightful about this is that it was directed by Mark o', Brien, who you would recognize as the groom from Ready or Not. And if you're like me and my friends, you recognize him from Republic of Doyle, a. A show from. What's it called? Newfoundland. [01:34:11] Speaker A: Okay. [01:34:13] Speaker B: But he directed this movie and it also co stars Henry Czerny, who was the dad in Ready or Not. So I like that. Like they clearly became. [01:34:22] Speaker A: But family. Yeah, sure, sure, sure, sure, sure, yeah. [01:34:25] Speaker B: With him. And so it's basically, you know, that the dad guy, he plays this another, by pure happenstance, plays another priest that he is like got something that sort of. He and his wife have this burden on them or whatever. They've moved parishes. There's. They've got like. It seems like they've lost a child or something of that nature. And then this kid shows up played by Mark o', Brien, who you're not quite sure, like, what his deal is, he shows up and it seems like maybe he's just like some down on his luck guy who needs some help but sort of ends up working his way into their lives, which leads to these various revelations. And, yeah, it's a little sort of mystery of sorts. Religious horror. Yeah. So theme this week, a theme unintentionally, but I think a lot of stuff that's kind of Halloweeny is a little on the religious horror side. So the Righteous, I thought that was a good little one. I rewatched Sinister, which you and I have both talked about. That, like, didn't sway either of us all that much, but I was like, you know what? I'm gonna revisit it. And I think without kind of the hype of how scary it was supposed to be, I actually enjoyed it a little more than I did when I've seen it before. Like, as just kind of a movie where you're following, like, some guy who has made shit choices and you don't know whether he is, like, the things that are happening to him are in his head an art and he's going crazy or if they're real. And all of that, like, that is actually more interesting than the, like, oh, it's the scariest movie ever, according to science. You know, it's got some spooky moments, but it's not that scary. [01:36:23] Speaker A: Not even a bit. But Scott Derrickson has done far better. [01:36:28] Speaker B: Sure. No, I. I agree. I mean, I like many Scott Derrickson and C. Robert Cargill movies. [01:36:35] Speaker A: Yes. [01:36:36] Speaker B: Better than I like Sinister, but I liked it a lot more than I did the first time that I saw it. When I was thinking, this is supposed to be so terrifying. It is very, like, unsettling, because the murders that occur that he is watching in these videos are truly horrific. Like, one of them, you know, is like, this group of girls, like, having a pool party, and then you see them all wrapped up and bound on deck chairs, and then each one of them pulled into the pool to drown one at a time. Like, the. The murders in this are horrific. And so it's deeply unsettling to watch. I can see why people who, like, don't watch a lot of horror or whatever would be like, you know, that really impacted. [01:37:25] Speaker A: You've certainly hit on something there. I mean, I. I hate those listicles. Oh, 500 psychologists picked the scariest film in the world. And it's Sinister. It isn't. You can't be. It just. [01:37:40] Speaker B: I mean, I Think they used, like, what do you call it? [01:37:44] Speaker A: Electrons. Yeah. [01:37:46] Speaker B: But they didn't show every horror movie ever made or whatever. But I can see how this in particular is so disturbing that if you're just a regular person watching these, like, this is. This is a level that you don't see in the horror movies that are like, you wouldn't see this in a Blumhouse. [01:38:08] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:38:08] Speaker B: Usually, like, this is too horrific for that kind of thing. So, yeah, I appreciated it more watching Sinister this time around. I watched. I don't know if you've seen this. Have you seen Sinister? Something wicked this way comes. [01:38:24] Speaker A: Is. No, I haven't, because a. I'd never heard of it until you asked me to find it for you. And wasn't it kind of lost media for a long time? [01:38:33] Speaker B: It was, yeah, it definitely was. And it's one of those ones kind of like Return to Oz. That for a generation of kids. It came out in 1983. For a generation of children, it, like, is the thing they think of that scarred them when they were a kid. Like, when they think about this movie, it's like, oh, I remember how viscerally terrified it was. I was. And I like that about it. You know, it's. It's obviously not gonna, like, terrify you as an adult, but it is really dark. Like, this is one of those kid horrors that, like, deeply wrestles with the concept of death and mortality and what does life mean? And you've got a baddie who is, like, terrifying. Is a dapper baddie played by Jonathan Pryce, who, weirdly, when he was young. Oh, that scared me. Did you see that? [01:39:26] Speaker A: No. [01:39:28] Speaker B: You could probably see a little bit now. Look. Can you see in the corner of the screen? Anyway, my neighbor walked outside, and so all of a sudden there was just like a white figure walking by my window. And I was like, huh, what is that? It's just my neighbor. But like, seeing things behind you in the camera is, like, always jarring. [01:39:47] Speaker A: Yeah, that's always cool. [01:39:50] Speaker B: But anyways, Jonathan Price, who at this point in his life looked like Jack Whitehall, I never would have thought that. But I kept thinking this whole movie, I was like, that just looks like Jack Whitehall. [01:40:00] Speaker A: Who is. Welcome to the you're dead to me list. Jack Whitehall. You were never. [01:40:04] Speaker B: Yeah, he did Riyadh. [01:40:06] Speaker A: That's something we have to talk about. Maybe next week. [01:40:09] Speaker B: Yeah, that's. Boy, that's just as a quick side, we're not gonna get into it, but I was just thinking that, like, everyone who performed that festival clearly Made so much money they're like, if I have to retire, I have to retire. [01:40:22] Speaker A: Yeah, this is it. Goodbye. I don't care anymore. [01:40:25] Speaker B: Yeah, because the comments like from everyone on like Facebook roundly are like, I'm done ever watching anything you do again. [01:40:33] Speaker A: I know I've mentioned it a few times, but a good friend of ours, a family who we're good friends with as a family is a working stand up tours. He's got a lot of comedian friends and you know, he's on a lot of comedian group chats and none of those cunts have any industry friends left at all apart from one another. [01:40:55] Speaker B: Right? Yeah, those real burn all the bridges things. [01:40:59] Speaker A: Yeah. Yep, yep, yep. [01:41:01] Speaker B: Wild, wild. But anyways, something wicked this way comes really dark and it's now on Disney plus so it is no longer lost. I think I had asked you to find this for me like a year or two ago and you're like, no way. Yeah, now that it's on Disney plus everyone can get a hold of it. So I finally got to see it. It's like, it's got some really creepy moments in it, including there's a point where like, there's just like an attack of like hundreds of tarantulas. And at one point, like in most movies you would see the, like the characters like manage to deftly like get around them or whatever. But there's one point where one of the kids just steps on one and like squishes and all that. And it's like I literally went out loud watching it like, oh no. But yeah, it's, it's one of those movies that kind of trusts kids to deal with adult ideas. And that's kind of when I look back at kid horror that I liked a lot. [01:41:59] Speaker A: For sure, for sure. [01:42:00] Speaker B: That's, you know, that's the vibe. So something wicked this way comes, you know, may scare your children. I don't, I'm not sure. It's. It's so dark. There's some moments in it that are just so dark. Like a point in which like the guy cuts his hand and like lets it drip and you see it drip down into this kid's face in the sewer and like it's just, oh, it's wild. Anyways, Sleepy Hollow. Naturally, I watched that. [01:42:26] Speaker A: Great. Ah, now, ah, you talk about Owen and horror. He enjoyed the out of Sweeney Todd and I think he has also enjoyed the out of Sleepy Hollow. We all did in fact. [01:42:41] Speaker B: Yeah, he likes that vibe, the Burton vibe. [01:42:43] Speaker A: He's a Burton kid. Yes, yes, yes. [01:42:45] Speaker B: He's a Burton kid. Yes. I relate to that heavily as a. As a Burton kid myself. And yeah, Sleepy Hollow I put on every year and I just pretend Johnny Depp is a different guy. [01:43:00] Speaker A: And before the unpleasant. [01:43:02] Speaker B: It's. Yes. And it's a. I mean, that movie has Johnny Depp and it has Jeffrey. [01:43:08] Speaker A: Oh, God, yeah. Jeffrey Roberts, Richards, Jeffrey. [01:43:12] Speaker B: It's neither of those. But the one who you know, pedophile situation. [01:43:17] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. [01:43:19] Speaker B: And. But I like looked him up too, and this was shocking to me. Did you watch Deadwood? No, I, I did not either. My husband did. He's in Deadwood, like after the pedophilia stuff. Like he's in like six seasons in a movie or whatever of Deadwood. I was like, how? What? Why? How did that happen? And why were people not mad? That's crazy to me. [01:43:50] Speaker A: Cancel culture. [01:43:51] Speaker B: Cancel culture. This just shows you Cancel culture isn't real because there's an actual pedophile in one of the most popular movies on hbo. And no one has ever mentioned that in my presence before. But yes, Sleepy Hollow is a fun time. And similarly Halloween styles. Gotta watch Trick or Treat, which Kristen and I will be talking about on the Fan Cave Wednesday. [01:44:13] Speaker A: Kristen did you know about. [01:44:17] Speaker B: I got a text from Kristen. I know Brianne went over to watch it with her and she text me and she said, trick or treat is too scary. We're watching Psych now. [01:44:27] Speaker A: So she'll watch. You know, she's seen some gnarly shit by now. [01:44:32] Speaker B: Yeah. She seems the only ones that have really. So Trick or Treat apparently was too far. And it. Those are the ones that have been like, oh, fuck no. Why did you do this to me? [01:44:43] Speaker A: Okay. We found a threat. [01:44:44] Speaker B: Pretty much everything else. Yeah. [01:44:46] Speaker A: Now we has been fine. [01:44:48] Speaker B: Yeah. But I'm interested to find out what it was about. Trick or treat that really. So I don't know if I would call it scary. [01:44:54] Speaker A: Nah, it's mid column to me. [01:44:56] Speaker B: But yeah. So I'm very interested to see what got them in this one. [01:45:02] Speaker A: Nice. [01:45:02] Speaker B: Arachnophobia. Another just real staple. Halloween time. [01:45:06] Speaker A: Yep. [01:45:07] Speaker B: You gotta. You know, I love Fat John Goodman. That is my favorite phase of him. Just I felt so seen because there was a reel of a girl watching the Flintstones movie from like 1995 or whatever. And she's like, I was just watching the Flintstone movies, not thinking about it. And then John Goodman's arms and is like holding his hands above his head and like kind of flexing or whatever. And I'm like, fat John Goodman. And it's like, this girl is, like, literally just, like, biting her lip. And the comments were just like, hundreds of women like, oh, my God, yes, John Goodman. I'm like, yes, okay. It's all of us fucking John Goodman. So I felt very seen being like, oh, that's not just a me thing, like the ladies love. [01:45:56] Speaker A: I would never have thought. [01:45:59] Speaker B: Yeah, these are things we didn't talk about. But now that there's the Internet, we know. I rewatched Hell House llc, which I liked the first time that I watched it and did not enjoy this time. Nah. [01:46:12] Speaker A: Left no. Left no real imprint on me. [01:46:15] Speaker B: It genuinely has some really good, scary moments in it. Like, genuinely stuff that makes your stomach drop at certain points. I will give it that. The problem is the characters are so annoying that it's just. Yeah, it's. It's a problem that a lot of Found Footage has. Yeah, that the. I don't know why this seems to be a trope in Found Footage, but characters who are supposed to be friends hating each other is like a huge trope in Found footage. So, like, that. There's always a lot of conflict with. Between people. [01:46:54] Speaker A: I will. [01:46:54] Speaker B: Stupid shit. [01:46:55] Speaker A: I will just once again mention Masking Threshold from a couple of weeks ago. By every other measure, a film that is just fucking lab grown for me to love. Artistically challenging and fucking fascinating. Beautifully written, beautifully shot. Just a wonderfully, wonderfully executed concept with the most irritating, worst character. [01:47:20] Speaker B: Yeah. I don't know why this is such a huge thing. And. And to be like, I love Dead Stream, which is an annoying character as well, which you don't like as much, but, like, it's. It can work. Yes, but I think just like, it's so much of a trope in Found Footage, people being terrible. And similarly, I watched Found Footage, the making of the Patterson Project, the sort of Bigfoot one that's a mockumentary about, you know, a group of people trying to make a movie about Bigfoots, you know, big feet. And it's. Big feets. Big feet, man. And it's like, got the last 10 minutes of it. Goes really hard, has good gore, has, like, genuinely kind of scary shit happening. A lot of claustrophobic things going on, but the first 80 minutes of it is just really annoying. People yelling at each other and getting mad about shit. I'm like, I don't like this as a trope. Like, what if the characters were likable? Can we. Can we do that as a thing? This one? I'm pretty sure you've seen. I watched Overlord. This was my first time watching Overlord. [01:48:37] Speaker A: Overlord is a banger. [01:48:40] Speaker B: Yes. Loved it. You've all heard me say a million times that I am of the strong opinion that we need more movies right now without nuance. Nazis are bad and you do everything in your power to solve the. [01:48:54] Speaker A: Overlord is a stunning movie. [01:48:56] Speaker B: Yeah, Overlord is great. 2018, starring Wyatt Russell and Jovan Adepo in which they play soldiers who have come in for. I mean, I assume it's supposed to be like Normandy. Yeah. Some sort of. They are coming onto the beach and they are like the lone survivors along with a couple other guys from a horrible attack on the helicopter that they came in on. And they find themselves in this French town where it turns out that the Nazis are running some horrific experiments. [01:49:34] Speaker A: Yes. Super soldiers. Super Nazis. Yeah. I'm certain I've read somewhere that at script stage at some point Overlord was meant to be a cloverfield adjacent movie, but didn't quite. [01:49:47] Speaker B: I saw on the letterboxd that like people said that at least there had been rumors of that. I don't know if it was ever like an actual thing or if it was just there's some sort of similarity between these that like. Because it does kind of have similar vibes to it. But yeah, I don't know if it ever really was connected because certainly there's no like aliens or whatever in this movie. But yeah, Overlord, I highly recommend. [01:50:13] Speaker A: Man, you've been packing them in. [01:50:15] Speaker B: I know. I told you I've been watching them every single night. And the only other thing you know, we watched Monster together, we watched Toxic Avenger together. And then I watched Annabelle last night, which I am the only human on earth who. Who likes. But I like that movie. And my reasoning is that it doesn't have the Warrens in it. So you don't have to deal with their love story as much as I love those two actors. You don't have to deal with the like made up love story of the Warrens. And 90% of this movie is just if I were her, I'd be scared because there's things creeping around her house and like she doesn't know what's going on. Right. Like the whole thing is just like if it were me, I would be scared. And I find that scary to watch. So while nobody else likes Annabelle, I just on its surface level, it does things that I find scary. And so I enjoy watching that and I'll be its 1 defender every year. [01:51:23] Speaker A: Corey, you have been packing them in and I love it. The only, again, the only movie for me that I'm not allowed to speak about because you didn't see it is Long Walk. But if it's left. If it's left cinemas, when am I gonna be able to talk about Long Walk? [01:51:35] Speaker B: Well, I'm sure it'll be plexed soon, but I do want to see if I can get to it. It's left the indie theater and it has weird times at the AMC now because it's like weeks out, you know, so I'm. I'm trying to actually go and see it, but as soon as I do, then I'm sure I want to unpack it. But I just feel like, like, you went in blind. [01:51:59] Speaker A: I went in blind. [01:52:00] Speaker B: I don't know anything about it. It was basically unadvertised. This movie just kind of showed up. So I think a lot of other people are probably in the same position. Like, I want to see it, but I don't know anything about it and I'd rather not. So even if. [01:52:13] Speaker A: Even if you thought you knew what movie it was, it's not the movie you think it is. It's. It's a deeply, deeply, deeply lovely film. [01:52:21] Speaker B: I can't wait. Yeah, I'm super stoked to see it. So hopefully I'll find some time this week to get to Clifton and go see it. It's not in the AMC here either. It's the one that's like 25. [01:52:33] Speaker A: It's definitely worth a trip to Clifton. [01:52:35] Speaker B: It's totally worth a trip to Clifton. Listen, there is a Chevy's next to it, so it's really a twofer. Anytime that I go to the movie theater in Clifton, you know how much I like snacks. [01:52:49] Speaker A: I think we all know that one. [01:52:52] Speaker B: In case you didn't know. Big into snacks. So, you know, see if we can work it out. [01:52:57] Speaker A: Now, next week, we feel it's high time, it being, you know, October, that we revisit, dust off and give a new look of paint to the patented Jack of all Graves three column movie system. It's been five years since we spoke about this, so a lot has happened. A lot of movies, a lot of house, a lot of culture, a lot of history in those last. [01:53:19] Speaker B: You can really tell like, who's been listening to Joag for like ages. Because they'll say like, you know, oh, yeah, this is a pretty like left column movie or whatever. And then there's probably a lot of people who are like, I don't know what that means. [01:53:31] Speaker A: Well, then next week is for you. We're gonna relaunch the Joag 3 column movie horror system. And I just massively look forward to doing that. [01:53:43] Speaker B: Yes. Gonna be grand. Old times. Thank you once again, friends, for joining us on this here excursion, learning about a very British cult and running through the millions of movies that I've seen. And all Mark's ADHD thoughts from the course of this week. [01:54:03] Speaker A: Yes. If you've stuck out this episode, then, yes, thrice blessed. Truly are. Though we love you, we do this for you and we wish nothing for you other than that you stay spooky. [01:54:14] Speaker B: Amen.